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READER'S LETTERS SEPTEMBER 2007
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From: Joseph Cook, 30th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
The amount of controversial decisions there are would warrant a place for you on Match of the Day every week I think.
Will give your book a look I think. Bet you thank your lucky stars for how far you went in your refereeing career. It must be second only to playing the game.
Cheers
Joe
Jeff's reply
Hi Joe,
As you are probably aware I do a lot of media work. The unfortunate thing is they only want you after a controversial incident. The pundit's roles are very much taken by ex-players and they would not want a ref on their programmes complimenting decisions.
Fact of life I am afraid.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: David Crosby, 29th September 2007
Hello Jeff,
I would like to thank you for the recent book you wrote, Who's
The Bastard In The Black.
Only half way through it but it is a great
read. There are some great comments in it.
All the best for the future.
Jeff's reply
Thanks David,
It really has sold well and I have had a lot of
favourable comments. Just goes to show even a rfef like me can do something well
once in a while!!
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From Jeremy Sarsmore, 28th September 2007
We were listening on the way back down and yes, you did have a busy show. Very entertaining though, and it was very interesting to hear the Darlo chappie on about incentives for the fans.
Shame about the Carling Cup eh? Always do this in this competition, and why the hell send Brad Jones out again. I know we had a scratch side and have injury worries, but just makes Europe that bit further away doesnt it?
What do you think about Schwarzer Jeff? I think his mind is definitely on other things at the moment, he doesnt seem to be playing as well at the moment.
Ah well, we shall see.
Jeremy
Jeff's reply
The Carling Cup always represents the best opportunity for clubs like Boro to get into Europe and I am gutted that we are out. I hope that the Schwarzer situation does not turn into another Viduka saga and one solution might be to look at a keeper in a similar situation.
Bolton 's JJ would be an excellent signing in January and then we could sell Mark. The fees would probably cancel each other out.
I thought Brad Jones was very good the other night though. Mind you whoever plays in goal for Boro has to be at the moment. The expansive, attacking, entertaining football that the fans wanted is all well and good but not if we are conceding goals at the other end.
I think back to the Newcastle United of old who could win or lose 4-3. Trouble is at the moment we don't have the goal scorers. Perhaps a few boring 1-0 victories are needed.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Russell Jones, 28th September 2007
Jeff,
How much do referees and linesmen get remunerated for attending Darlington and Hartlepool matches.
Jeff's reply
In the Football League a referee gets £254 per match plus expenses and an assistant ref £130 plus expenses. Not a lot considering the abuse they
have
to tolerate.
In the Premiership, the full time refs earn about £50,000 a year plus
expenses,
much better but in comparison to the players they have to control and
the
extra media spotlight, not enough in my opinion.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Marie Shannan, 27th September 2007
Dear Jeff,
I just read your article debating the referee's role in
the
Man U/Chelsea match on Sunday.
I was so impressed by your detailed and
unbiased comment on the talking points of the game. The only thing
you
missed out on, which was truly worth debating also, was the penalty Utd
should have got from Joe Cole's foul tackle on Patrice Evra, but hey
you
were so fantastic on all the other points I'll let you off.
Jeff, I
never
really took to you as a ref, because I believed you had a hatred for
ALL
THINGS MAN UTD. I have 3 brothers ALL FANATICAL UNITED FANS, so you
can
imagine I was fed Man U from childhood! So you could say I have some
bias -
haha!
Now I am retired from 35 years working as Nursing Sister, and
have
time to take my sister's kids to matches at Old Trafford. As a
person who
is very family orientated, I don't like any brutality tackling in a
game of
football, no matter which team it is coming from. I saw so many
serious
injuries to limbs in my time Nursing, and it was disturbing.
I fear
for
flair players like Ronaldo, because I know people want to hurt him on
the
pitch, you know they have openly said so Jeff. Remember the stamp by
M. Ball on Ronaldo in the Man City game last season, very distubing!!!!!
But
it is not just Ronaldo, other players are hurt through blood curdling
tackles too. So I would love to see many more red cards, and longer
bans
for the dreadful tackles, otherwise I won't be able to justify taking
the
kids to watch that.
One more thing Jeff. Do you think that there should be a blanket ban
on
all players surrounding referees with real venom and intimidation?
Rugby
is a tough game, and they do not question ref decisions. Neither
cricketers, or even American footballers. This is a cancer only in
football and tennis.
I hate ref's being besieged by players spitting
venom in the ref's faces over every decision. It's so ugly Jeff.
Anyway, really just wanted to say that I loved your illuminative
article,
and please tell me that it is just a myth that you HATE Man U.
See you
Jeff.
Marie Shannan x
Jeff's reply
There are a lot of myths in the world and in football especially. I
roared
when United beat Benfica, screamed with delight as they overcame Bayern
Munich and for a variety of reasons was glad they won the Premiership
last
season. So I think that you can safely say that I have nothing against
Man
United, unless they are playing the Boro.
It's quite ironic that you talk about the pressure that teams put refs
under, because that is why some people might think I had a downer on
Man U.
You see in my day, they were actually one of the worst offenders, Gary
and Phil Neville, a younger Becks and obviously Roy Keane were never far
away
from the ref when decisions went against them. I once at Ipswich booked
four
United players and that started a relationship that never really
improved.
They could not and would not accept that I showed them such a lack of
respect and took action when they stepped out of line.
It goes in circles with teams and the current bully boys are Chelsea,
however now post "The Special One" that might change.
I would love to see a Rugby style ten-yard advancement to deter open
dissent,
it was tried, was helping, but the powers that be decided to drop it.
Typical!!!!
With the post match clamor for Phone-Ins etc then controversy fuels
these
shows and the respect for referees diminishes with the questioning and
highlighting of every decision, unfortunately I don't see that
changing.
I hope that you continue to enjoy watching United and have a successful
season, apart from when you play Boro.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Peter Owen, 26th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
I have just come back from a very nostalgic cruise of Hereford which took in the football ground. That's when the separation gap between divisions really kicks home, and without Steve Gibson I think we may well have been looking further up.
Perhaps in hindsight, others should hold that in mind and cherish what has been accomplished.
See, Mourinho may have a few bob, but he never swept the dressing rooms out like Cloughie did at the Pools, or could hold a candle to his boots.
That's how yer win European Championships' and end up cast in bronze, because you are indeed a special one.
The Chairman will soon follow, because he put in his notice at the same time.
Peter
Jeff's reply
Cruising round Hereford, I will have to try that one mate. Much preferred the Greek Islands last week myself.
You are right though, we throw the terms 'great' and 'legend' round too liberally these days. You know my feelings about the so called special one, but he certainly is good on the charm and you can't really argue with his track record. But give me Cloughy any day.
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From: Stu, 25th September 2007
Hi Jeff. My Dad and bro have season tickets at Darlo, however working
Saturdays I can't go often. Am going to the Peterboro game and it seems
almost a new team since I was there last season. Which of the new signings have
impressed and who should I look out for?
Jeff's reply
Hi Stu,
Dave Penney has put together a very strong squad. There are many good
individuals whom I am sure you will appreciate. The most important
factor
though is that it is a team. They are all playing for each other and
that
is the secret of their success. Enjoy Saturday, I will also be there.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Peter Owen, 24th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
BRILLIANT.
Gareth Southgate, Danny Wilson and Dave Penney should feel immensely proud of all the positives they are installing in their respective dressing rooms.
Now we have three teams on our doorstep who are thrilling the fans, because they don't want to let anyone down, which is one hell of a shout for the future.
Peter
Jeff's reply
I agree things are looking very good for all three sides. Boro though have the gypsy's curse on them at the moment. We shall overcome!!
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Norfolk Red, 22nd September 2007
Unable to hear your show on Monday but just a short question:
Why don't refs lay the law down with players prior to the game, ie: any diving=booked. Any swearing=booked. Works well enough on the rugby
pitch.
Jeff's reply
They should not need to, the players should know the laws anyhow.
The refs would not be welcome in the dressing room prior to the game,
it has been tried, also a ref is making a rod for his own back. If he says he
is going to do something then doesn't he looks silly.
I know that this answer does not really answer your query. The real
problem is that the refs do not and would not get support from above. You want
a zero tolerance policy and that in theory sounds fine. However the clubs
would not tolerate that and the outcry from all and sundry would be
that the refs are spoiling the game.
It's the old can't win situation.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Neil Spofforth, 21st September 2007
Jeff, just read your article on ComeOnBoro.com about the empty seats at
the Riverside, and here is my suggestion on how to fill the ground again.
Slash the prices to £10 - £15 for adults £7 - £10 for 12 - 16 year olds
and £5 for under 12\'s.
Then to compensate anyone who has bought a season ticket this season,
give it to them free next year.
Prices for new season tickets should correlate with the new match days
prices.
I recently wrote to messers Fordy, Lamb and Gibson with these ideas but
did not receive an acknowledgment.
For info, I am currently a stay-a-way fan. I haven't had a season
ticket since 2002/03 season (I missed out on Cardiff having given up my ticket
that summer). The reasons for me are simply cost.
I live in Wakefield, am not well paid, have a mortgage and a son.
What spare cash I have goes on him. I think I have been to between
10-15 games since giving up my season ticket.
It would be interesting to hear your opinions on this suggestion.
Jeff's reply
Neil, I would love to see the Riverside full every week. However the
figures that you are quoting are just not realistic. It is a business and they
hav to cover costs. Players still want top money and if they are not
getting it, they will not come or stay at the club.
If the team is not successful then people won't go. It is a vicious
circle I am afraid.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Gary Crompton, 21st September 2007
You have a lot to say for yourself now you're retired don't you?
Barely a day goes by when you aren't slagging off your former collegues
and/or appearing on Sky Sports news as a rent-a-quote.
Have you no dignity?
Whore.
Yours
Gary Crompton
Jeff's reply
Well that was a well worded and thought out email wasn't it Gary.
Your point is?
People like you really do have a problem. If I am requested to give an
opinion I do so.
Whore? Yes, if people are prepared to pay for my
opinions
one would assume there must be a demand. What's wrong? Are you jealous
or
something?
Get a life.
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From: Neil Spofforth, 20th September 2007
Jeff,
For whatever reason you appear to be getting a lot of abuse. Personally
I never paid much attention to referees. I go to watch the football so
have no reason to dislike you.
Would just like to say I am impressed you took the time out to do the
Q&A with Boro Nation.
Long may it continue.
Jeff's reply
Hi Neil,
I was a ref mate, it's water off a ducks back.
It's always easy to criticize, but I am fully aware that those who are
happy don't make anywhere near as much noise as the dissenters.
The Q & A session is going to be a regular feature on Mondays on
www.boronation.com with questions we cannot answer during that period
covered on my site during the week.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Peter Owen, 18th September 2007
Hi Jeff
I had the knowledgeable privilege of educating a complete goon, who
actually
has a Top Slot on a National Radio Sports Station of late, with regards
to
the recent issue over Mido.
See, this complete clown was asking thousands of his listeners for
their
comments on what is, and what is not acceptable with regards to
football
chants.
Now, when I explained to him first and foremost that football is a
family
game, the penny should have dropped, but it was obviously apparent that
he
was missing a slot in his head.
So all you Toons who disgraced Mido in front of many, many families
want
popping into a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale and dropping off in the
North
Sea.
If you don't know how to behave properly at a football match, you will
eventually find out, because its persistence will see a club banning
the lot
of you from their ground.
The minority always spoil it for the majority, which is the only one
sad
part.
Mido though, out shouted you all by placing one finger to his lips to
acknowledge your vocals!
That was the best banter throughout the whole game and he never even
ushered
a word, cos he\'s clever!!
What a way deafening way to silence scum, even though he picked up your
Yellow card.
Jeff's reply
Hi Peter,
I have had my final word on this matter, I hope that the good thing to
come
out of it, is that the majority will silence the few in future.
I will have one ear on the away game this Saturday as derby matches do
tend
to bring the worst out in everyone.
Mind you having listened to so called England fans boo a young man
making
his international debut in a vital match I will not hold my breath.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Suresh Nair, 18th September 2007
Dear Jeff
A quick word: Do you think Chelsea were deprived of a goal in the Blackburn match in the Salomon Kalou "offside" incident?
Jeff's reply
Most definitely, but after them getting a point at Liverpool some might say what goes around goes around.
You might be interested on my League of Injustice column that appears on the site for Zoo magazine, correcting the obvious errors that affect games. Mind you it's easy to referee from the stand or your armchair.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Andy Wils, 16th September 2007
Ten out of ten Jeff for your replies to the mails you received
regarding
the chanting aimed at Mido recently. I can remember you in the old
Bee-Line
days at away games. You weren't one to be tackled then, and I am sure
you
aren't now.
Keep up the good work.
COME ON BORO !!
Jeff's reply
Funny those bad old days, when fans of a similar attitude used to stand
toe
to toe and fight. Nowadays they just sing racist songs and send
cowardly
messages by email and chat rooms on the internet.
Somehow the bad old days do not seem that bad after all.
The Bee-Line days were great mate, a different world now though.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Brian Lingard, 16th September 2007
Jeff, what are your thoughts on using the "10 yard" rule that they
have
in rugby on the football pitch. I know they tried it a few seasons ago,
but
I think that adding the bit about moving the ball after a player had
been
booked negated any positives that could have come from the rule. I
think
that fewer yellow cards would please most paying watchers of the game,
and
the use of moving the ball forward for infringements such as
"backchat" as
well as not retreating from the ball could give the referees a bit more
"space" after a foul has been blown for. With the modern ball, a 40
yard
free kick suddenly becomes 30 yards and the goal looks a possibility.
I
know
it would be chaotic for a week or two, but even footballers would get
into
the right mindset if a few goals started going in and their Managers
got on
their backs.
Jeff's reply
I always thought that it was a good idea Brian.
The only problem was that you could only move the ball forward once and
then
only after a caution had been given for dissent, kicking the ball away
etc
after a free kick had been awarded.
It worked to a certain extent, but
if it
was adopted like in rugby and a yellow card need not be shown and the
ball
could be moved 10 yards more than once then I think it would be
brilliant.
The powers that be thought otherwise and dropped the experiment. That
tells
you a story, they don't like commonsense.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Darrel Birkett, 16th September 2007
Jeff
I was one of the few that contacted you regarding the
comments
after the boro/nufc game. While I may not have taken kindly to the
approach
of your original article, I have to say that the responses you received
being abusive (in particular regarding Cancer?) I find frankly
embarrassing
as a Geordie. Sadly we all have this minority of brain dead fans and
I'd
actually agree in this case of you tag "Geordie Dickhead".
You may still be a fat orange smoggy, but few would wish any worse than
that.
D Birkett.
Jeff's reply
You speak for the majority Darrel. Thanks for your comments.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Gerry Lynch, 16th September 2007
Dear Mr Winter,
I have read with utter disdain your so-called expert analysis of the
Mido
chants by the Newcastle fans in the recent match with Middlesbrough.
First of all, let me say that as a Newcastle fan, I found the Mido
chants to
be totally unacceptable and can not condone them in any way. Secondly,
on
the contrary to your unfounded suggestions and "guilty by association"
accusation in your article, I was one of many Newcastle fans in the
away
section at the Riverside attempting to quell these chants.
The most ridiculous suggestion in your article is that the Mido chants
were
symptomatic of a much wider racist agenda amongst the majority of
Newcastle
fans. This is just absolute nonsense. Last season, Mido played at St
James
Park for Spurs in front of 52,000+ Newcastle fans, and not a single
offensive chant was aimed in his direction. The Mido chants were a
moronic
attempt by a few daft lads, in the charged atmosphere of a semi-local
derby,
to wind up Middlesbrough's new star player, and nothing more than that.
You also claimed that in the past Newcastle fans had racially abused
their
own black players. This again is absolute nonsense, Mr Winter, and I
have no
idea where you got this notion from. I was a Newcastle season ticket
holder
in the mid 1980's when the likes of Howard Gayle and Tony Cunningham
were
playing for the club, and never heard a single racist comment aimed at
these
players from their own fans.
You also claim, that Newcastle once had a policy of not signing black
players. Again, where does this nonsense come from? I don't recall too
many
black players playing for your beloved Middlesbrough before the 1990's.
Going by your logic, Mr Winter, Middlesbrough must therefore have been
operating racist policy when it came to player recruitment.
It's interesting that you compare Newcastle fans with "those who sing
about
'ice on runways' and the like." Would that criteria also apply to the
Middlesbrough supporters who were clearly heard on national television
singing sick songs about the Bradford fire during the 1988 promotion
play
off semi final?
I would also point out that Islamaphobia, while being bigoted and
reprehensible, is not racist, as anybody can choose to become a Muslim,
regardless of their race, skin colour or nationality. On the other
hand,
calling someone a "fat Aussie B*****d", as thousands of Middlesbrough
fans
were doing on Sunday, most definitely is racist. You also have to
wonder how
Middlesbrough keeper Mark Schwarzer would have felt, hearing his own
supporters making these chants.
I would also suggest, Mr Winter, that calling people "Geordie
Dickheads" is
tantamount to racism, or at least indicative of a blind prejudice
against
people from a particular part of the country.
You really don't come across well in your article, Mr Winter, and quite
frankly I would have expected a lot better from a former professional
referee. You really create the impression of being a typical bitter
small
minded inferioty complex riddled Middlesbrough supporter, who harbours
the
illusion that his club are the biggest in the North East, by virtue of
a
solitary Worthington Cup win in 2004, when in reality he knows, but is
afraid to admit, even to himself, that Middlesbrough are light years
away
from even being on a par with Sunderland in stature, never mind
Newcastle.
Yours,
Gerry Lynch
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From: Gary Taf, 16th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
Something that has irked me for along time is handball in the penalty
box. I see players going in to tackle with their arms spread and when it hits the
arm they say ball to arm. I would like to see a rule where that is called
goaltending; players can tackle with their arms inside. What do you think?
Jeff's reply
I think that the laws already cover it. It is a deliberate act making
themselves bigger to stop the ball going past them, therefore a deliberate
handball and a penalty. Not are all as clear cut as that but many are.
John
Terry was very good at it last season.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Steve J Bullock, 15th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
I've just read the Man Utd managers latest rant in one of the Sunday
rags, and the guy either does not think about what he is saying, or he is
very
close to senility.
He has rubbished Michel Platini and his idea of allowing cup winners
into
the Champions League by calling it "absolutely ridiculous" and
stating
that "The Champions League is just that - a League". Suddenly he
forgot the
"Champions" bit, as he well knows just how much of a mickey mouse
affair
it really is.
Given that the top four in the league get a place in it makes it out to
be a
"Non" Champions league. And Man Utd would have not been in it every season due to their
inability to
win the domestic league.
He also qoutes "It would devalue the league". Is it not already
devalued by
allowing "Non champions" into it? This man is an expert at talking
crapola.
The term "Champions League" should be adhered to and in doing so :-
1, Would reduce the amount of games played.
2, Players would play less games for their over inflated
salaries. Rebates
for us all ???
3, Managers would have less to complain about in regards to injuries.
4, Players would be less fatigued.
5, We would have less "Champions League" Football forced on us by
ITV.
6, Players might actually play better when on England duty.
Man Utd are the first to complain about fixture congestion, yet as soon
as
the last ball is kicked in the domestic season, they are flying off
around
the world playing in meaningless pre season games. After the charity
shield
this year Ferguson moaned about his players being tired, and that was
before
a ball was kicked in the Premier league. Did he not consider this during
the
summer instead of flying his team around the world?
It seems that Man Utd are getting away with murder in respect of what
they
can get away with. They are whinging about the Liverpool affair over
Heinze, yet they seem to have forgotten all about their antics in the
Owen
Hargreaves saga. It must be time for the governing bodies to get a grip
on
Man Utd.
Oh sorry - are we allowed to rant on here? If not its too late,and
I do
apologise.: )
Call me anti Man Utd, but I see enough little kids wearing Man Utd
shirts for
no reason - glory seekers maybe, but parents I know are buying children
Man Utd
(crap) sorry shirts etc for their kids when the money would be better
spent
on Pool, Darlo or Boro kit. At least the kids can actually go and watch
these
teams live instead of jumping a bandwagon like all the other muppets I
know.
Ask any of these glory hunters to name the current Man Utd players,
nuff
said.
Jeff's reply
Hi Steve,
As usual an excellent letter with points well made. Find it hard to
argue
with your logic. I especially like your points about replica shirts, it
has
always been a bone of contention with me to see local kids wearing
shirts of
other sides rather than the team I feel they should support. But glory
hunters will be glory hunters, local pride seems to be a diminishing
attribute, take the size of attendances at Darlo and Boro as a good
example.
You know that your opinions on the Champions "League" are a waste of
time,
it's all about money and whilst our Football league clubs played
Carling cup
ties this week they had to compete with qualifying rounds of Champions
League live on TV. I too think that only the Champions should compete
in the
European Cup (old name), this would make the Leagues even more
competitive,
downside, the Boros, Blackburns, Evertons etc of this world would never
get
the chance of European football.
TV companies and the big clubs rule the roost and we all jump to the
paymaster.
PS. Did you see me on Setanta the other night? Perfect
example we
all take the money as football is such a popular commodity, then we are
likely to see more games on TV than less.
So despite all your sensible opinions mate, you are urinating against
the
proverbial wind. Money rules ok and it will always be the case.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Not Important, 15th September 2007
GEORDIE BACKLASH
"My comments were made not against Newcastle United per se but would
have
been made against any team's supporters."
GEORDIE TIMELORDS
"every colour and creed display their skills in the Premiership, but
not
for the space travelling Geordies." Not geordie minority, geordies.
"dispelled the myth that they are the loveable army but instead put
them
near the bottom of the 'Scumbag' fans league table. They are now on
par
with those who sing about 'ice on runways' and the like."
-aye, some idiots equaits to the toon army as near the bottom of the
"scumbag" league table.
"back into the dark ages where they belong." - do all 3000 travelling
fans
deserve this fate?
It was a mistake, it was embarrassing, but not disgraceful, a bad joke
that
was out of order and, although not any more hurtful than most terrace
chants
trivialises racism, which is always a bad thing. Most Newcastle fans
know
this and it would be much appreciated if you didn't just add to the
over
reaction.
Jeff's reply
Points taken,
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Dave Smith, 15th September 2007
Hi,
There was no "islamaphobic" chanting at Mido until after he gave the
Toon fans the v's twice. Just for the record, being against Islam shouldn't
be
classed as racist as it's a belief, a choice. As for the other abuse
don't you
think proffesional football players should be able to take the abuse?
If you
banned away support you'd never dream of filling your little ground and
if it
wasnt for Steve Gibson (got to admire him) you'd be rotting down in
league
1/2 where you belong.
The ticket alication from both the toons local
rivals
is a joke. The toon army are the best supporters in this country, end
of.
Shame Id always thought you were one of the refs who had a clue.
P.S. was the chanting at Mark Viduka not racist? Your born australian
not by
choice?
Jeff's reply
Thanks for your comments Dave, I will take them on board.
Keep supporting your team.
Best wishes
Jeff Winter
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From: Poolie Bob, 14th September 2007
Bob,
I've been watching Pools for many a year and this season and last have been two of the best. We've started this season well and I think that come the end of the season we will be docking in the play-offs or promotion places. What do you reckon???
Jeff's reply
Hi Bob,
I am really excited by all three of the area's sides. We are all playing
quality football. Evidently Pools were more than a match for Leeds and
on
another day might have won. Here's looking forward to three points
tomorrow.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Jon Nugent, 14th September 2007
Taken from NUFC.COM
"Witch hunt continues: More ramblings"
Can this bandwagon take the weight? The mouth of the Tees has now
spoken,
former football referee and terrace hard man Jeff Winter stirring
things
still further with his "expert" analysis.
Presumably Ray Mallon is on holiday?
But what the fourty (sic) plus, telly tubby fails to understand is that
his
own Boro boys were actually the racists on Sunday.
As a few of you have pointed out being islamaphobic may be bigoted,
ignorant, and stupid but it isn't actually racist.
Following Islam is a choice which anyone can make, regardless of race.
However, calling someone a fat greedy Aussie b*stard certainly is
racist and
we fully expect the FA to investigate those home fans at the Riverside
for
chanting at Mark Viduka.
Calling someone a fat smoggie b*stard is generally thought to be
acceptable where egotistic, orange, ex-referees are concerned..."
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From: Kevin Williams, 14th September 2007
Jeff
First time I have read your any of blog and I must say what a load of
garbage. You are just the latest in a long line to jump on the
bandwagon of "insults" hurled in Mido's direction. What you failed to mention in
this article is the fact that your new star striker stuck the V's up to the
Newcastle fans behind the goal, as did little Julio Arca. Both these
incidents are yet to be reported by the press. Same as your fans
racist behaviour towards Mark Viduka. Calling someone a fat Aussie b*stard is
a form of racism as well.
Fans are at games to support their teams and try to make it off-putting
for the opposistion/referees to gain an advantage for their team. The
chants aimed at Mido were quick witted humour, the type of behavior that is no
different to something that can be heard in a stand up comedian's act. Where
do you draw the line?
The songs had nothing to do with Mido's religion, skin colour or
beliefs. It was supporters doing what supporters do.
Cheers from the Skunk (Sureley a racist term in itself!)
Jeff's reply
Hi Kevin,
Never too old to learn; I have read hundreds of emails and many make
very
good valid points.
Thankfully the vast majority of fans are decent and should not be
tarred
with the same brush as the minority.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: James Blair, 14th September 2007
I would state that the comments made by the Newcastle fans at the Boro
game the other weekend were stupid, out of place and childish. However, by any
dictionary's definition, they were not racist.
Islam is not a race and therefore mokery of such cannot be classified
as
racism. Fact.
Jeff's reply
Your point is one that has been made by many people James. I must
therefore
presume that you are correct and bow to your greater intelligence.
Let's hope that this puts an end to it.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Jonny, 14th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for your recent article clearing some things up with the whole
Newcastle fans/racism thing.
I'd like to apologise on behalf of the idiot fans that decided to
bombard
you with insults and abuse and hopes that you die of cancer.
I hope you received many replies like the one I gave you recently with
some
genuine points up for discussion and less of the insulting ones.
If you didn't then it says a lot about my club's fans and you may just
be
right.
Cheers,
Jonny
Jeff's reply
Unfortunately most were non complimentary and personal, but a lot had
very
sensible points to make. I have learnt a lot form this experience.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: John Harris, 13th September 2007
Jeff
If you really weren't trying to tar us all with the same brush, it
might have been better to refer to "racist dickheads" rather than geordie
ones.
I'm afraid with that choice of words you have rather tarnished any
sense of
objectivity you might have had in the eyes of the Geordie fans.
Shame
really
because I think the gist of what you were saying was worthwhile, and
now the
message is lost in the clamour and vitriol.
And by the way, you're still a fat orange smoggie bastard.
Jeff's reply
Agreed John, (that is on the first points) - hindsight is a wonderful
thing.
Love me holidays me, all year tan !!!
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Jim Smith, 13th September 2007
I have just read your piece on the Newcastle fans. I do stand with you
and
cannot condone whatever was said to Mido at the game. It is a disgrace
that
anybody should be subjected to any form of abuse. What was Mido doing
running to 3000 Newcastle fans during the game? Surely he was trying
to
provoke a reaction? The reaction again I can't condone. He'd have been
better
off running to one of the other three sides of the ground.
Jeff's reply
Your points are good Jim. People don't seem as though they can turn the
other
cheek.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From Brian Standen, 13th September 2007
Jeff
I emailed you regarding your article about the Newcastle fans of which
I am
one, however I believe you failed to look at all the facts. I
will
also say the disgusting abusive emails you recieved are simply as low
as
anyone can go, and I share your dusgust.
What I will ask is why yourself and the BBC have chosen to whole-heartedly
condemn the Newcastle fans for what really was quite an amusing chant. It
certainly was not racist.
Three years ago Sunderland fans chanted "Bobby's nearly dead" with
reference
to one of the north-east's finest footballing ambassadors having cancer, simply because he managed his beloved Newcastle United. I wrote at
the
time to the authorities but did not receieve a reply. That obscenity
was
clearly worse than what was directed at Mido last weekend. Also as I
mentioned in a previous email, Mark Viduka WAS racially abused by boro
fans
last weekend but again this has been ignored.
I know you are a Boro fan so I would expect you to show slight bias,
however the BBC have a responsibility for balanced reporting but they too
have
failed to mention any other facts.
It is a fine line between terrace humour and being obscene, but hope
you are
able to get my point from the examples above.
Incidentally the BBC failed to respond when I raised these issues.
Kind regards
Brian
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From: Graeme Armstrong, 13th September 2007
Jeff
Just been reading your follow-up column regarding the antics at the
Riverside last weekend and some of those responses you revceived via
email.
Naturally having an opinion and writing columns does make you an object
for
responses of all kinds. Indeed your own comments show your same
understanding of this point. However, for some sick human being to
actually
wish a disease such as canceer onto another individual is sad and
repulsive.
Being an adopted Geordie I for some reason feel like I've got to
personally
apologies for the idiot. We can only hope that they have a terrible
accident
that prevents them from reproducing, thus saving society future
versions of
him!
Regarding the incident with Mido last weekend I can understand why some
people think it's OK. We berate individuals for size, looks, skills
etc. So
why not poke fun at a guy who fits the stereotypical terroist bomber.
But at
the end of the day it's wrong. Simple as that. It should be
erradicated.
Lets hope the clubs respond in a way that reduces the chances of this
happening in the future.
I'm visiting Boro for a night out next weekend. Can you suggest any
decent
places worth a visit!?!
Regards
Graeme Armstrong. Shamed Geordie and Magpie.
Jeff's reply
Thanks for your comments Graeme. We all learned somthing from this situation.
Try Yarm for a great night out.
Best wishes,
Jeff
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From: Martyn Collins, 12th September 2007
Just read your article regarding Darlo on the Uncovered site and you
were
asking for comments regarding lack of attendance. I can only speak for
myself and those of us who used to go, but here goes....
The Arena; we used to watch Darlo as season ticket holders (at times)
from
1989 onwards. Surely the whole point of lower league football is to
stand in
a small ground which is fairly full and atmospheric. Used to love it at
Feethams where me, my dad and my brother used to go. 99/00 season was
fantastic with great atmosphere.
Since moving to the new ground though it has totally lost its appeal - out of
town, 22,000 empty seats, no atmosphere at all etc. The three of us have
stopped
going altogether now for this reason and know others who also have. The
new
ground has alienated some of the hardcore fanbase whilst moving towards
a
family entertainment day. Fair enough I suppose but not why we watched
them
for years.
If I wanted to watch substandard football in amongst thousands of empty
seats I'd have been born a Boro fan.
Cheers
Martyn
Jeff's reply
Good points mate. I agree that the all seaters have killed atmosphere.
Last comment a bit harsh, though !!!
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From: Jimmy, 12th September 2007
the usual biased stuff once again. yes there were unacceptable chants
in
the away end, but you and i have both heard as worse stuff from
supporters
of many clubs.
i sincerely hope you will berate the home fans at the riverside when
they
stray over the line, although i very much doubt it.
Jeff's reply
I might surprise you there mate, it's not about Newcastle it's
everybody. I
would like to think I not only had the guts to print something but also
to
say it on the day.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Andy Gray, 12th September 2007
Dear refereeing legend and top media personality Jeff Winter,
Your hasty response to your initial Newcastle posting must be evidence
enough that your comments were way off the mark! Since football began
fans
have chanted hurtful and shameful remarks to opposing players, it's
part of
the healthy match day craic that you wholeheartedly endorse!
I'm astonished that this incident has irked you so much that you felt
the
need to pen such a tabloid style article (brown ale addled Geordie is
really
the best you can come up with?). Surely you must have realised that
there
would have been a backlash to your comments?
You refer to schoolyard days and rhyming players names with things like
knob, Jeff every song sung by footballs fans has a tenuous link. It's
what
prevents in from turning into rugby!
Guilt by association and Geordie dickheads?! your fueling the fire. I
was at
a game last season when the abuse Emre received was unbelievable,
however he
dealt with it in the mannner of a professional and not by inciting the
fans
in question. I haven't read anyone condoning his actions.
Mido is by no means an angel, in fact he is a perfect example of a game
gone
mad with greed but can you tell me how the abuse was racist? It
refered to
his religion Jeff not his colour and the last time I checked the
religion
rulebook anybody could be a muslim!
Surely the abuse the Boro fans receive concerning their past history
with
children warrants a more lengthy response?
You've dealt with abuse throughout your career so there is no point
throwing insults at you, I just wish that people like yourself would
weigh
up both sides of the argument before piling in with the sensationalist
remarks. Whether you like it or not your "inciteful" comments have
put you
at the same level as those "scumbags" you despise.
Jeff's reply
You make good points Andy. Yes I might have been hasty with the
original
article and might have drawn personal abuse towards myself, but if we
return
to banter rather than the vindictive stuff, then maybe it was
worthwhile.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Colin Sanderson, 11th September 2007
Been a newcastle supporter for over 40 years and have never heard any
chanting or calling of our own ethnic players!
Don't worry about where to put the Newcastle supporters next season as
you're heading for the fizzy pop league anyway. Then you'll see how
loyal
Mido is when he doesn't want to stick around.
Jeff's reply
Colin - You are 100% right. If any team goes down the players will do a
runner. Hopefully that will not happen to any north east team.
I have to disagree with your first point, but we are all entitled to an
opinion.
Best wishes
Colin writes back
Jeff
Jeff, thanks for your reply, it was most unexpected. Sorry but I can't
agree
with you on my first point, the nearest I've heard is "he's big he's
broon
and he plays for the toon, Cunningham". Hardly a racist chant against
our
own player and even Tony thought it was funny according to the local
media
as I remember. The only other comment I've heard is when Andy Cole
signed
for us and the press alleged the supporters christened him "Wor
Blackie"
although I tend to think this was a hack trying to make a name for
himself.
As for the idiot hoping you die of cancer I have nothing but contempt
for
this cretin! As someone who has suffered cancer in the past and had six
months of chemotherapy and two operations to remove the tumour I
wouldn't
wish it on anyone.
Keep drinking the Tango and eating the Jaffa Cakes.
Regards, Colin
Sanderson
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From: Kevin Olver, 11th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
I'm sorry that the chants a couple of Sunday's ago seem to have upset you but I do
think
they have been taken totally out of context by yourself, the press and
the
whole of Teeside. I realise some of the chants were in very bad taste
but
that is where the humour in them comes. It is so easy to label people
racists or similar but there was no racial motive in the chanting that day. Whatever anybody thinks it was only banter.
I am also told that the
bomber
references were not because of where he comes from or his religion but
because a few years back another set of fans likened him to Richard
Reid the
shoe bomber.
Banter on the Terrace does not really represent people's real views off
it. I
mean nobody really thinks Mido is a Peado or a Bomber, in the same way
that
other chants around the country and at NUFC, we don't really think
Keano
wanks his dog, we don't really think everyone in Liverpool live in
slums
and look in dustbins for something to eat, a bit like I'm sure Boro
supporters don't really think that Newcastle is a town full of racists
like
I've heard them sing before.
I will be the first one to say there is no place for racism in football
(or
anywhere for that matter) but I believe because of the Press' love to
publish anything bad about NUFC is seeing us incorrectly labelled. Of
course there will be one or two dickheads in the crowd. I'd imagine there
is in
every football ground around the world, there are several dickheads
around
the streets too, the best thing is just to ignore them. I have to say
I was
a bit shocked by your original message but as for the Tosser that
wished
cancer upon you, well that just proves there are some Dickheads around,
I
say go ahead and name and shame him. I'm sure he will get a few
deserving
emails back.
Cheers
Kev
Jeff's reply
Thanks Kevin,
Your views are very similar to those I am receiving from hundreds of
sensible Newcastle supporters.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Steve, 11th September 2007
Jeff,
Re Car Park Fees. I have to travel in to Darlo from up the Dales, so it
is
an extra fiver on the cost of my ticket. Secondly you cannot buy that
ticket
online and get it posted to you. Why offer tickets online if you still
have
to go to the box office to collect them! Now they have closed the North
Stand too.
These factors add up and it makes you ask "Do they really want me?" It doesnt appear so.
This isn't the way to increase the fan base. Do they know how to manage
a
consumer business?
Steve
Jeff's reply
Thanks Steve,
I have copied your email onto the Managing Director at Darlington and I am
sure
that he will take your points on board.
The club most certainly do want you and need you and also a lot more
people
like you. I trust that they will continue to look at ways of providing
an
increasingly better service.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Ivan Wilkinson, 11th September 2007
Hello!
I am writing in response to your article Geordie Backlash. I am a
Newcastle
fan who now lives in the south, and watched the match on television. I,
like
a lot of Newcastle fans I know, acknowledge that the chanting was
unacceptable, however I was struck that nothing was said in the match
coverage, indeed Mido was heavily criticised for his actions after his
goal,
with no justifiction for it presented to the viewers. Should this be
tackled
more stringently by commentators?
I take your point that you did not mean to tar all Geordies with the
same
brush, however you did come across in your original article as doing
just
that. In this respect you talk of 3000 Geordies travelling back in
time, and
the majority of news coverage has been of a similar nature, indicating
that
some form of primal herd instinct led to a mass outpouring of racial
hatred.
While I agree with your sentiments that this has gone over the top, I
have
spoken to my Middlesbrough supporting friends (yes the days of having
friends across the divide are not quite dead!) who attended the game,
and
each said that the chanting, while audible, was clearly from a minority
in
the Newcastle section. I value their opinions on the matter, as they do
not
usually miss a trick to put Newcastle down, and they all independantly
agreed. Has this been exaggerated also?
I was pleased to see that you acknowledged the chanting from
Middlesbrough
fans in past years, unfortunately chants labelling each other
"Paeado" and "Rapists" have become accepted insults to use against each other, and
is
the issue really only fuelled because the labelling of Mido as a bomber
adds
a potentially racist aspect? Would anything have been said if this
particular chant had not occurred? If so, then I compare the media
coverage
from 2005 when West Ham fans chanted about Mido being a shoe bomber,
and the
two situations hardly bear comparison. Should the FA have acted more
strongly then to send out the message that this sort of chanting is
unacceptable?
How far can personal abuse go before it is unacceptable? I think this
could
be a very tricky area to police, and that is possibly why the FA have
not
attempted to tackle this particular issue?
Anyway, aside from these points, I now fully intend to go back to
supporting
Newcastle, concentrating on the many positive aspects of our fans and
their
behaviour, for which we have been commended in the past, and get back
to the
true enemy. Sunderland.
All the best
Ivan Wilkinson
Jeff's reply
Great email Ivan,
As the week has progressed the insults have slowed up and sensible
points of
view have started to take over.
Thank goodness that most decent people agree. Let's hope the one good
thing
to come out of this is that the majority might win. Remember how the
idiots
were made to feel when they made noises during the minute silences. A
good
chant started and joined in by the majority would drown out the scum.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: David Hart, 10th September 2007
Jeff,
I have just read your latest article on the Darlo Uncovered site. I
don't
read your column regularly but have been informed that this was not the
first time you have overtly criticised the attendances at the Arena.
Now I would like the crowds to increase as much as anybody, but if you
look
through recent history you will see only a limited number of seasons
when
our average attendances have been higher than they are at the Arena.
What do
you actually propose the club do about it? Surely that would be more
helpful
to the club than preaching to the converted.
David
Jeff's reply
Fair points David,
I think that the club on the field are doing as much as they can. If a
winning entertaining team does not draw the crowds then what will?
Also the prices are not too bad in comparison to other clubs.
The main problems seem to be winning back those who fell out of love
with
some of the previous regimes.
I believe that the club should be forward thinking in areas such as car
parking (costs) and general transportation to the ground. Make it easier
for
fans to get there basically.
All in all though it boils down to the team.
I hope that come the end of the season your stats show increased
attendances, then everybody will be happy.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Callum, 10th September 2007
I'm glad to see you have clarified your last article to do with the
"tardis". My apologies if I was rude in my email (which I dont think
I
was). Your article just got to me as I see it has other geordies
especially
the die hard fans who can't accept who Newcastle actually are. Keep up
your
good work :)
Jeff's reply
Many thanks Callum for replying. I too value the real fans of any club and it
was not my intention to slur them.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Brian Lingard, 10th September 2007
Jeff, having just returned from a wet week in the Highlands of
Scotland
during which time I had the undoubted pleasure of reading your book I
felt I
had to drop you a line to say thanks for an entertaining piece of work.
I am
a Tranmere fan who remembers your last trip to Prenton Park as a League
referee (22/02/03 v Blackpool) with a smile. I can remember you telling
an
"injured" player to get up with the upward movement of your hand and
also
looking a Blackpool player straight in the face as he approached you to
make
a comment about a decision and stopped him in his tracks with a
forceful
"F..K OFF". You refereed the rest of the game in the way you describe
in
the book and as I remember it you left to a well earned standing
ovation.
Definitely something that doesn't happen very often at PP. I would
like to
wish you all the best for the future and again say thank you for
entertaing
me last week. Best regards, Brian Lingard
Jeff's reply
Thanks a lot Brian, glad that you enjoyed the book. I remember that
game at
PP well. I also remember another one that did not go as well. It was a
Friday night game against Southend, Tranmere were near the top of the
table
as were Boro, Tranmere lost 2-0 and the locals assumed it was my fault
as I
would have wanted Boro to succeed.
It got worse on the final day of the season when locals saw me at PP
supporting the Boro.
Still it was nice that some have forgiven me if not forgotten.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: John, 8th September 2007
Jeff am not being funny or out but u bring trouble onto yourself by
your
shocking comments about football!! its abvious that all newcastle fans
would
take affence! and so they should! wot right do u have to come out and
talk
about it. wot right do u have to come on skysports every other week and
talk
shit once again about football. if u just shut your mouth and live your
life
in retirement without speaking out loud then u wouldnt get so much hate
from
people! but cos u wana be center ov attention like u wanted to be as a
ref,
people hate u!!!!!!!!just shut up!!!
Jeff's reply
Say what you mean mate, why don't you?
If you have read both articles you will see what I was trying to say.
With regard to me shutting up, many ex-players appear on programmes
and
this is acceptable, but an ex-referee - some think that is wrong.
I am asked to go on these programmes to give a different point of view and
you
do not have to agree with me.
Anyway, I am too young to retire.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Andrew Barber, 8th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
I am an avid Newcastle fan and on the whole I agree with what you have
said.
Racism in football and sport as a whole is uncalled for and the ones
participating in such behaviour should be punished with bannings.
I
honestly do believe some of our fan's were 'jesting' when they said
Mido
looked like whoever but it went way too far with the further
chanting
and racism. I thought Mido dealt with the situation very well and he
should
be credited with doing so (also, the booking was harsh in my opinion
giving
the grief he received).
What the clubs around the country should do is work together with the
other
clubs, the cctv networks and the police and identify those taking part
and
ban them from all stadia in the UK either on a temporary basic (say 1-2
years) or on a permanant basis. If this was introduced I imagine most
racism would be banished from our beautiful game.
As for cutting allocations, I dont think that is the answer, on the
whole
Newcastle fans are very good but unfortunatly for the local away games,
it
seems like the ugly minority seem to get tickets in their hoards.
Again, if
what I said above were to happen this wouldn't happen. All clubs have
bad
supporters and I am guessing 99% of our fans are disgusted with the
behaviour of the few.
I'd like to thank you for the 2nd article you wrote, it exonerates
(sp?)
the innocent fans and rightfully slams the guilty and has some good
banter
in it as well. I'd also like to wish you luck with your career post
referee and you well in general.
Regarding the Boro, what's going on
down
there? I think you need someone else instead of Southgate but I'd
definatly keep him so he can be assistant as he does have a promising
career
in managment (if he can get 11m + for Yakubu I wonder what he could of
sold
Bramble for!!).
Howay the Mags!
Andrew Barber
Jeff's reply
Cheers Andrew,
The silent majority are agreeing with me now.
You are right about Gareth. Unfortunately a few Boro fans are still not
convinced.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Dan MacPherson, 7th September 2007
Dear Jeff,
I am a Newcastle fan and attended the Boro game two weekends away. I did not
join
in the chanting as I thought it was out of order and would end up in
the
Newcastle fans facing a backlash from the media like we have, especially from the
London based media) re, Louise Taylor's gobsmacking comments in the
Guardian.
However I do not think in anyway that the chants were racist and that Mido
was
targeted because of his faith. The words "muslim" or "islam" were
not
mentioned once and surely even yourself can see that.
As you may have
guessed by
my e-mail I am also an avid follower of Heart of Midlothian football
club.
When we play Hibernian we are subjected to sectarianist chanting by the
Catholic supporters and it is never highlighted in the press as much as
one
occasion involving NUFC.
Also the channting between Glasgow Rangers and
Glasgow Celtic is always just glanced over as though it never happened.
Surely the chanting by NUFC supporters is very small scale compared to
the
chanting that has been taking place in Scotland for years?
Kind Regards,
Dan.
P.S. I was dissapointed to read you had recieved insulting e-mails from
some
ididots that call themselves Newcastle Supporters.
Jeff's reply
Good points. Let's hope everybody learns from this.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Aaron Broome, 7th September 2007
Hi Again Jeff,
You were a crap ref, it's true, but you definitely
don't
deserve to die of cancer - out of order Geordies!!
However, 'Geordie
dickheads' and 'Newcastle Brown Ale addled fans' is maybe aimed at a
minority but I think any 'majority' would be wound up with those
words
too, so I dont agree with you calling them dickheads. Seems to me the
whole
banter issue, be it good or aggressive is all out of kilter.
I think it
started when French seagull following actor/clown Cantona embarassingly
attacked a fan at Palace some years ago. Everybody is touchy. I have
seen on
the Boro fan sites the chants and they are out of order, but I still
can't
see why people on £10k plus a week plus just dont let it ride over
them! If
I was on half that I wouldn't give a toss what anyone said about me.
Maybe
I could afford an orange tan too!
Good luck, keep up the great work!
Jeff's reply
Thanks Aaron,
The reasoned arguments are taking over from the "dickheads".
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Matthew Porter, 7th September 2007
Hi Jeff,
As a football fan first and foremost, I would like to apologise for the
idiots that we have from our local clubs that have been emailing you
using
vile insults.
I'm sure 99% of us realise that you are a football fan,
and
understand, if not agree with your comments on certain things. There is
a
line which some idiots seem to enjoy crossing, which really is
disappointing.
As a Darlington fan, I am sure you realise that many of
the
comments on the messageboards are done so either by idiots, or by
people "pretending" to be Darlington supporters and posting nonsense just to
give
the rest of us a bad name.
The amount of Darlo fans I talk to, feel
that
although you can be a bit biased, you are just like us. Passionate
football
supporters who want to see their team do well. I don't agree with
everything you say, but I accept that we have differences of opinions
and
let it go, as it would be a boring place if we all liked the same
things.
I
also agree that you give both us, and Hartlepool a very fair amount of
time
on your show, and although Boro do get more, that's to be expected, as
they
are the bigger club, with more fans phoning in.
I personally am more
than
happy with our fair share of airtime.
All the best Jeff.
Matt
Jeff's reply
Thanks Matthew,
It is always easy to criticize and many do. It's far more difficult to offer
praise or recognition, so I appreciate you taking the time to send this
email. Because of my previous profession I have become hardened and you
just
bat on regardless, doing what you think is right.
The great thing with
football is that everyone has an opinion and is entitled to one, which
makes
for good radio.
I will always continue to support and try and represent the feelings of
the
three sides in this region and that may mean upsetting a few people
along
the way. The one thing that you will get with me, love me or hate me,
is
honesty.
Obviously I am a Boro fan first and foremost, but as long as I
continue to represent all three clubs fairly I am sure that most fans
will
appreciate that.
Hope that you continue to enjoy the shows. Give me a ring one week.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Brian Benton, 6th September 2007
Dear Jeff
I am glad you have commented on that shocking piece you wrote the other day, but I think you are naive and lack judgement if you are surprised that people should regard an unqualified expression such as "Geordie dickheads" as applying to all Geordies. Your lack of willingness to apologise unreservedly for this makes your behaviour worse.
Of course there are idiots and bigots amongst Newcastle supporters, as there are within most social groups, but writing broadbrush insults such as you did does you no credit.
Any decent Newcastle supporter would neither condone the chants made at Mido nor the cancer comments made at you, but I would have thought your experience as a top referee would have left you with better tact and judgement than demonstrated in your tardis piece.
There is a thin line between pithy, satirical and irreverant commentary and ignorant abuse and in my view you crossed that line, as indeed did the Newcastle supporters guilty of the slurs on Mido and you, but two wrongs don't make a right.
I am sure you are aware that many Newcastle supporters feel that as a referee you were biased against Newcastle, and whilst I am sure you also consider that to be a myth, going into print using terms such as "Geordie dickhead" can only serve to perpetuate and justify that feeling in the minds of some.
Best wishes
Brian Benton
Toon Fanatic
Jeff's reply
Hi Brian,
The mailbag has certainly provided interesting reading for me. Yes, Tyneside would seem to have its fair share of ignorant, foul mouthed idiots like anywhere else.
I am reflective on the article, however I find it very hard to comprehend that anyone could take the stance that I was calling all Geordies. Having said that the number of people who have suggested that I and everyone else on Teesside is a paedophile does suggest that it is easy to tar everyone with the same brush.
You like the vast majority are embarrassed by the behavior of a small minority of the fans of the club and many have taken that frustration out on me. Perhaps if your club had spoken for the majority and condemned the behavior then you would not be feeling so aggrieved.
As to whether Newcastle fans now as a result of my comments feel that I was biased against them that is their choice. I would love someone to look at the facts and see Newcastle's results when I reffed the Toon. But then again that exercise might just kill another myth.
Let's hope this unsavory incident does not repeat itself and that the excellent reputation of your fans is once again restored.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Andy Park, 6th September
Alrite Jeff. Am a big Darlo fan and a was wondering wether you think
that
Darlo will go up? I am concered at the way they are playing lately. Three
games
without a win is always bad and from the way we played on Saturday
against
Macclesfield, I am worried. Get back to me mate!
Jeff's reply
Hi Andy,
Is the glass half full or half empty? Be positive not pessimistic. Three
games
without a win (including the cup) - try four games unbeaten in the League.
This year the League is going to be very tight, early results have
shown
that. Darlington have in my opinion the best squad I can remember, the
spirit is first class and yes I do believe that they will get
promotion.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Lucas Atkin, 5th September 2007
Mr. Winter,
I thought it may be interesting to give the views of a Newcastle fan
based
outside the North-East over the whole Mido farce.
I, like you, abhor
racism, obviously. So does everyone I know in Newcastle. The ignorant
bigoted chanting, although shameful, was limited to a select few, and
your
conclusion that others were "guilty by association" for not trying to
stop
them is slightly unfortunate, given that the vast majority of people
choose
to counteract racism by just ignoring it - racists tend not to be
reasonable
people so reasoning doesn't work, and counter-chanting will just spur
them
on.
Furthermore, dare I suggest most of the Newcastle fans in the
Riverside
were trying to make up for the lack of atmosphere and weren't paying
much
attention.
Moreover, surely your comments such as "Geordie dickheads" and
"brown
ale-addled" such and such are just as ignorant? Albeit not as harsh as
casting aspersions on a player on the basis of his religion and
nationality,
surely your insults based on locality, heritage and culture are
comparable
in terms of intent? You must see that you are just adding fuel to the
fire,
dear sir.
By all means, if you wish to remain in the public attention
post-retirement,
I don't have a problem with that, but is it not irresponsible to use
your
fame etched out by a career in refereeing to publish opinions that will
simply provoke the ire of a notoriously passionate people?
Once again,
I
agree with you that racism is intolerable, and these people should be
banned
from future games. It is still a worrying problem in football, but it
is a
worrying problem everywhere- dare I suggest there may be a few racists
still
pottering about in Middlesborough?
Furthermore, "Mido is a Paedo" is
obviously not a serious suggestion that he enjoys sexual relations with
children, it is merely an unfortunate coincidence that his name rhymes
with
a word so loaded with conntations, much as people may give stick to our
newest signing and sing "Beye is gay" or something.
Would you rather
we
chanted "We don't rate Mido's ability as a footballer but he sure is
not
a child molester despite the rhyme in his name"?
Anyway, I enjoy reading your opinions on north-east football in
particular
and hope retirement is treating you well.
Top non-media personality Lucas Atkin
Jeff's reply
Thanks for your comments Lucas. They are consistent with the majority
of
likeminded sensible Newcastle fans.
Your points are well made. I do maintain however that what some people
describe as ill advised references to those chanting are still not bad choices of descriptive words. They do not and were never meant to
refer to
everybody.
I think we are perhaps fighting a losing battle as a high proportion of
those replying refer to the tired old comparisons to the 'Cleveland
Child
abuse' problems and this seems to make me and all other Teessiders
child
abusers.
Ignorance is bliss.
I am glad that in general you enjoy my articles.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Jordan, 5th September 2007
just face it. middlesboro r shite. b lucky to stay up. newcastle in
everyway are the biggest and best club in the north east. you cant fill
your
ground. cant keep ur best players.
Jeff's reply
Take it you support Newcastle then mate.
We are not shite, we finished above you last year and we will not go down.
We can't fill our ground agreed but as for you being the biggest and best, we will see.
As for best players leaving, well unfortunately we all suffer because
money
talks. And the thing that is pissing me off is how they go on about people
not
wanting to come to the north-east.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Adam, 4th September 2007
I've just read your reply to the article that caused all the uproar.
Whilst I am very much in the camp that was upset with your article, the
idiot who wished cancer on you is pure scum and has no place in decent
society. That was bang out of order.
Whilst the Mido chants were slightly risque, I genuinely feel that they
were
banter. Your uses of the word 'scum' did go a bit far but football stirs
the
emotions like nowt else and, whilst I didn't like your article, it
showed
passion.
Football chants have a tendency to be gallows humour and this
is
just another example of that. However there are two diometrically
opposed
camps on this issue and one will never talk the other around to their
way of
thinking so I'll not go further into that.
I'll just finish up by saying the second article explaining yourself
is
appreciated. It is time to let the entire matter go cos this is
threatening
to take over everyone's lives. At the end of the day, the north-east
is
the best place in the world to live and for football. The football
should
do the talking.
Jeff's reply
Your comments are appreciated Adam. Your final comment is the most sensible one I have heard this week.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Peter Archbold, 3rd September 2007
I was in the Tardis last weekend.
Emre is one of my favourite Newastle players. I respect his choice of
religion as I do any other persons.
I'm not ashamed to say that I got carried away with the occasion and
joined
in with some of the (seemingly unacceptable) chanting.
I can assure you that when I sang whatever I sang that I was in no way
trying to be Islamophobic, racist or whatever else is being thrown at
us. I
was doing no more than what most Premier League players do each
weekend, to
each other.
Trying to wind up the opposition, be he ginger, fat, gay,
smoggy, ugly, mackem, dwark-like, bald or resembling of a shoe bomber.
It
goes on. At every ground in the country!
Jumping on the bandwagon of anti-racist, Islamophobic, P.C. propaganda
will
not endear you to the audience you are appealing to in your media
career.
I like you. I think you give honest opinions. Pity you haven't been a
terrace supporter, then you could give us honest opinions of supporting
your
team from there, with the rest of us.
Regards,
Peter
Jeff's reply
I appreciate your honesty Peter. I have never worried about being liked
though.
As for having never been a terrace supporter, please read chapter one of my autobiography. You can also catch me at most Boro, Darlington and Hartlepool games as well.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Ron Harnish, 2nd September 2007
Jeff, Top result for us on Saturday. It was great to see Monkhouse back but
my
big worry is for Gary Liddle. He is absolute class and is starting to
run
the show. The worry is a big club moving in for him. Don't you think
we
should get him signed up on a long term contract? Young McCunnie
is
starting to grow on Poolies big style, what a signing he could turn out
to
be.
Ron
Jeff's reply
You are 100% right mate. I know that even last season clubs were
looking at
Gary. Obviously it makes good sense for the player and his agent to
start
looking at another lucrative move. I am afraid it is the way of the
world
now.
Knowing Danny Wilson he would not stand in the players way either
if he
had the chance to better himself. Simple answer to the problem, Pools
get
promoted again and he is in the Championship anyway.
Danny Wilson is proving to be an excellent manager also, and perhaps
you
should also worry about him being poached.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Mark McConville, 1st September 2007
Reading your articles, it is obvious and you have in fact said that
you are
an active middlesbrough fan. Now I'm not saying or pointing out any
individual cases of unfairness or bias, but do you think it was really
fair
for you to be in charge of any games between Boro and Newcastle or Boro
and
Sunderland?
Why isn't Mark Clattenburg allowed to take charge of a
Newcastle v Boro or Newcastle v Sunderland game? A reply would to my email would be
appreciated.
Jeff's reply
Hi Mark,
Well you say that you are not suggesting bias, but that is exactly what
you
are saying. When I refereed I just gave what I saw; it did not matter
who was
playing.
However because many people like you would think or assume
favoritism, that is why I never refereed Middlesbrough in a competitive
game, like Mark Clattenburg would never referee the Toon.
I did ref the Boro in friendlies and testimonials and do you know the
Boro
players hated it. They used to say that to show how fair I was I bent
over
backwards and with my knowledge of them gave them nothing. Interesting
perception.
I did once in a last minute emergency appointment referee Toon reserves
v
Boro Reserves at Gateshead, result 2-2 draw.
Hope that answers your query.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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