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READER'S LETTERS JUNE 2008
We will publish your letters on this page regularly, complete with comments from Jeff.
So why not write in and let us know what you are thinking about the goings on at Boro, Darlington and Hartlepool. We'll get your letter on the site as soon as we can.
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From: Lyndon Jacques, 30th June 2008
Hello Jeff
I am currently reading you book and it's great. I like that you say it as it is - it's very refreshing. I have a question that I hope you can help me with.
I've only recently started refereeing and from the beginning I have noticed a problem in my game - I can't seem to work out what is deemed a foul when players are going up for headers.
Obviously, as you know, you get "in the back ref" all the time but I'm sure I am missing some. Could you possibly explain to me how to spot it?
Cheers
Jeff's reply
I'm glad you are enjoying the book.
Your problem is not an unusual one. It is very difficult to assess because whilst defenders do foul, attackers also back in. On many occasions it would be easy to give it either way.
The most important thing is that you get yourself into the correct position and that has to be side-on so you can see exactly what is happening.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Jordan, 28th June 2008
Jeff, I thought I'd discuss something other than football because you've made it abundantly obvious for years that you know nothing on that particular subject.
What's your opinion on the situation in Zimbabwe?
Jeff's reply
Well Jordan, your name is appropriate because you do sound like a big tit!! I bow to your superior knowledge of the beautiful game because as you say, despite my actual involvement in the game, I don't know the first thing about it.
Zimbabwe is a terrible situation. If we believe what we hear then freedom of speech is denied to many. It's a good job you live here as for doubting me, you would probably be done away with in Zimbabwe.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Murdo, 27th June 2008
Jeff, I am 20 and have applied to do my first level of refereeing. If I was to get to the level you were at (i.e. Premiership football), how would I do it? What are the steps so to speak?
Thanking you in advance.
Murdo
Jeff's reply
The steps are laid down for you Murdo. You are assessed at every level and subject to your ability, you can gain promotion through the pyramid. It's much the same way as clubs gain promotion.
It is a long route to the top - there are about 20 Premier League refs out of 30,000 refs in the country but cream will rise to the top.
Just work hard, listen and learn and stay fit. Then it's down to a degree of good fortune of being in the right place at the right time.
The most important thing though is that you enjoy it. If you are good enough you will get your opportunities to progress.
Best of luck
Jeff
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From Kev, 26th June 2008
Jeff, just fit are yoooo all aboot?
I'm embarrassed FOR YE!!
Jeff's reply
Thanks for your care and concern mate but don't go worrying yourself about me mate, I am doing fine thanks.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Jack, 21st June 2008
Hello Jeff,
Are you alright, mate? Are you enjoying Euro 2008? What do you think about Howard being dropped from the Euros? He's better than a lot of refs still there.
What do you think of the Premier League and Championship this season? Who's going up and who's going down?
Thanks, Jack
Jeff's reply
Hi Jack
As usual, the British press and pundits have jumped in with sensational "Webb Sent Home" headlines.
The truth of the matter is that this is Howard's first senior international tournament and he always expected to only do two games. That is the way it works - the most experienced guys are kept on.
I agree with you though that he is already better than some of the supposedly senior officials.
In two years time, he will hopefully be the English referee at the World Cup and by then he will have established himself more as a senior official.
The problem with the World Cup though is that it is very political and any involvement for a referee is also subject to how his own country is faring in the tournament. Having said that, he still represents the best chance of English achievement in international competition, far more so than the national side.
As usual, domestic football will revolve around the cheque book and it is obvious that West Brom, Stoke AND Hull will have a massive fight on their hands to stay up.
The Championship will, as usual, be the best League for competition and as well as the relegated sides, you have those who missed out last season. Also watch out for newly promoted Swansea, they have an excellent young manager and play good football.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Jack, 19th June 2008
Hi Jeff
Do you think Howard Webb was right to give Austria a penalty?
Is it just me, or is refereeing geting 'softer'? I watched Russia v Greece and there were a lot of soft decisions given, and the same thing happened in Germany v Austria.
Thanks Jack
Jeff's reply
I think that you are falling into the trap of listening to idiots like Mark Lawrenson. A foul is a foul whether it breaks someone's leg or not. If a referee cuts out the silly niggly offences then it can stop things getting more serious.
Howard Webb was 100% correct in giving the penalty.
The pundits have a job to do and they create discussion by contesting decisions.
In the France v Italy game Lawrenson, not for the first time, showed his complete ignorance of the Laws of the Game by commenting, when Henry was quite correctly cautioned: "But he played the ball before he caught him".
It makes my blood boil to listen to his stupid comments. Perhaps there is a very good case for watching the game with the sound turned down.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: James, 18th June 2008
An ex of mine has just emailed me and accused me of moonlighting as the coach of the German Euro 2008 squad.
A few wrinkles ago, possibly.
Next time we bump into each other, could you spare a minute to explain the offside rule?
I thank you.
J
Jeff's reply
That guy is far too good looking to resemble you James.
Regarding the offside law, despite having been involved in the game for many years, I obviously did not understand the law too. I therefore looked it up.
Evidently, if you are a former player of the club and are seated behind the goal in the first twenty rows of seats then you can become active and therefore play an opponent on side. This is very unfair at new grounds such as Eastlands, Riverside etc because the said player must have actually played on that ground. This rule does not apply to Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United obviously as the authorities for the good of football in general do not want these teams to be disadvantaged in any way.
Evidently FIFA are looking into another much misunderstood law, subsection 11 paragraph 3, that declares that the "Big Clubs" can show dissent to all referees' decisions, can have their captains charge into refs' faces and also are allowed to have at least two designated players who can call the ref a "C**t" and repeatedly tell him to "Fuck off" without fear of any sanction.
The penalty kick also has another clause which allows certain clubs to make foul challenges and not be penalised.
The game is wonderful and like in life, you are never too old to learn something new every day.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Paul, 17th June 2008
I am a massive fan of yours and I think we look alike. Could we get together some time for tea and red cards.
Jeff's reply
If your name was Paula I might be up for it. Also, I would prefer something stronger than tea!!
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Erik, 16th June 2008
Greetings Jeff
I've just stumbled upon your website and I must say what a fascinating read it is!
Mind, some of the personal attacks left on the letters forum are beyond the pale. What is wrong with these berks, I truly do wonder...
Any road, when I was a ref (at a hugely inferior level to that of yourself however!) on occasions I ran into the odd cheeky sausage who was good for some (mostly) respectful banter down to the pub after the match. Some of these players I came to share a pint with semi-frequently.
Of course, these better lads were in addition to the criminal thugs who needed detaining in a maximum security facility. But, I digress...
I wonder, whilst refereeing in the Premiership, did you ever come into contact with players with whom you made some kind of personal connection?
Do you stay in personal contact with any previous (or current) players form the Premiership?
Are there any players who have earned your personal respect, or stand out in your own mind for their exemplary conduct on the pitch (e.g. sportsmanship, leadership, conduct towards match officials, etc)?
I am sure you could fill pages about the more negative examples but let us hear about some positive feedback for a change.
Right, thanks.
Jeff's reply
Yes, the positive side of football (and indeed of life in general) is often forgotten as good news does not sell as they say.
I do meet many ex players at the sporting dinners that I work at and it is fair to say that I get on well with them.
It's strange that as a referee you are most appreciated after you retire. Those who were critical of you when you were around now start to tell you that you were actually not that bad.
One great example of an ex player who I get on well with post-career is Alex Rae. I often see him when I go up to watch Rangers. I also keep in touch with Phil Brown, the Hull manager.
I also see many players via the Sky Masters series. They are great until the games kick off but that's football - once they go over the white line they turn into different people.
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From: Jack, 15th June 2008
Alrite Jeff?
I am a big football fan and have never seen anything like the goal that stood in the Holland v Italy game. How can the referee/assistant make the decision to allow the goal?
Also, how can Herbet Frendel (the German referee) fail to send off the Turkish defender that lunged at Nani in one of the first games?
Overall, the refereeing so far in Euro 2008 has been satisfactory but again, the question of interpretation has made the standard lower again.
What are your opinions on this? And who do you think should referee the big games in Euro 2008? Mr Poll?
Thanks.
Jack, New Zealand
Jeff's reply
I cannot understand the goal being allowed to stand for Holland either, but if you listen to the FIFA, UEFA and Premier League voices, they are saying it was the correct decision.
You talk about the decision with Nani. I did not watch that game but it is not an exact science where everybody in the game gets everything correct.
I think that the refereeing has been good overall so far and Howard Webb has been excellent.
There are twelve referees out there and they appear to be doing well. I really don't understand your comment about Poll, he retired last year so can't and won't be refereeing any more games.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Paddy Phinn, 14th June 2008
Jeff, you are a self serving cunt and were a shite referee to boot. Away and take a flying fuck to yourself.
Regards
Paddy
P.S. CHAMPIONEES UP THE CELTS.
Jeff's reply
Thanks for that Paddy, I've not tried that before. It sounds quite kinky but also perhaps a little dangerous. I prefer my sex with a woman or even women. Catholic, Protestant, black, white, to be quite honest I don't give a fuck as long as I get a fuck.
By the way I was a very good ref as well.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Chris March, 13th June 2008
From the article about respect I quote:
"Martin Atkinson, the ref who upset Fergie in the Pompey game, will continue to be kept away from United, as will Steve Bennett from Liverpool and Mark Clattenberg from Everton.
"When all is said and done, we would not want to upset the clubs, would we Keith?"
Respect is a two way street and I agree that managers and players need to show refs more respect. Players like John Terry, Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard in particular, who are all vying for the England captaincy, should be setting an example. Terry's attitude to refs is at times disgraceful.
However refs also need to be prepared to stand up and admit mistakes. Clattenberg's performance in the Merseyside Derby was nothing short of appalling, yet he made no offer of an apology. This, for me, means that he does not deserve the respect of Everton Football Club and its fans.
Jeff's reply
I agree with you entirely - referees, like anyone else in life, should earn respect.
The refs are not encouraged to speak after a game yet I believe that they should not only be stronger on the pitch but also be prepared to speak after a match. Okay, on some occasions they might have to admit that they have made a mistake but what is wrong with that?
The behaviour of certain potential England captains is nothing short of disgraceful but the spineless authorities do nothing about it.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Zac Bamber, 12th June 2008
Hi Jeff
I was just wondering about the Van Nistelrooy goal v Italy. My first reaction was that it was offside and I still think it was offside.
I caught the back end of a press conference about it on Sky Sports News and the man was explaining why it wasn't offside. So could you please explain it to me because I only caught the last bit of it.
Thanks.
Jeff's reply
I am totally confused. As far as I am concerned, it was definitely offside.
However, the experts are now saying that as a defender had left the field without the referee's permission, he was still active and therefore the goal was good.
I noted that on radio, Graham Poll agreed with my interpretation also. It would seem though that according to the Law books, we are wrong.
If this is so, it is ludicrous. I have never ever heard this interpretation before and it makes a mockery of an already very confusing law. Had the defender deliberately stepped off the field to play an opponent offside, I could understand it, but his momentum in general play was why he left the field of play.
I too am very confused.
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From: Roy Coyne, 12th June 2008
Dear Jeff, I am amazed at your reference to Clattenberg being in charge of an Everton game. I have seen many refs have bad games but when this has happened, the poor decisions go for and against both sides.
This clearly was not the case with Clattenberg in the Merseyside Derby. I have followed Everton for over fifty years and this was the only time I have seen such a bias for one side. So in the interest of fair play, he should not ref another Everton match.
I do agree that clubs should not hand pick who should ref their games but in exceptional cases like this, I think that the club's feelings should be adhered to. That is, unless they complain about nearly every ref.
Jeff's reply
My point was that some clubs are virtually hand picking their own refs as they criticise some and then the bosses preclude those refs from reffing those teams.
Many may feel that MC had a bad game at Goodison but I would imagine that could be put down to his performance on the day rather than bias. If indeed we have refs who are biased against any team, then we might as well all pack in.
Refs, like players, have bad games but fans never seem to forget the ref. Let's hope that in the future, he does ref Everton and fans see him perform in a manner that proves that he had an off day.
DM has not got the reputation of other managers but he gets fined and others get let off. It stinks.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Eddy, 11th June 2008
Hello Jeff
I am having a raging argument with someone over Holland's first goal versus Italy.
As you have probably seen, Van Nistelrooy was a yard offside when he scored, with Panucci lying off the pitch behind the goal.
The referee claims RVN was not offside and the goal was legitimate because the Italian player had not been given permission by the referee to leave the field and hence is active. Furthermore, I can't for the life of me find the relevant scenario explained in any offside definitions.
Can you confirm or refute it please?
All the best.
Jeff's reply
I'm not sure I want to help you Eddy!! I was going to watch MotD as I did not know the score, then your email came through. Ha ha.
I am confused also as the FIFA suits and even Keith Hackett are saying that the goal was valid. That is news to me as if I had been reffing or running the line, I would have given offside. Had the player deliberately stepped off the pitch to get an opponent offside then that's a different matter. On this occasion, his momentum took him off the field.
Still you are never too old to learn but it seems stupid to me.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Eddy, 11th June 2008
Hello Jeff
I am having a raging argument with someone over Holland's first goal versus Italy.
As you have probably seen, Van Nistelrooy was a yard offside when he scored, with Panucci lying off the pitch behind the goal.
The referee claims RVN was not offside and the goal was legitimate because the Italian player had not been given permission by the referee to leave the field and hence is active. Furthermore, I can't for the life of me find the relevant scenario explained in any offside definitions.
Can you confirm or refute it please?
All the best.
Jeff's reply
I'm not sure I want to help you Eddy!! I was going to watch MotD as I did not know the score, then your email came through. Ha ha.
I am confused also as the FIFA suits and even Keith Hackett are saying that the goal was valid. That is news to me as if I had been reffing or running the line, I would have given offside. Had the player deliberately stepped off the pitch to get an opponent offside then that's a different matter. On this occasion, his momentum took him off the field.
Still you are never too old to learn but it seems stupid to me.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Davie, 11th June 2008
Hi Jeff
It was interesting to read your observations about the tribute to Tommy Burns by the Rangers and Queen of the South fans before the Scottish Cup Final.
That was in fact the FOURTH minute's applause the Rangers fans impeccably afforded Burns since his sad passing.
Unfortunately, that's not really newsworthy these days.
Cheers
Davie
Jeff's reply
So I understand. I was only at the Q of the S game, so that is why I made reference to that particular game.
I will continue to try and cover both sides of a story. More often than not, it is offering a little heard opinion of a referee but I am happy to write about all other aspects of the game.
Let's hope Walter is able to sign some quality during the summer.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Zac, 10th June 2008
Hi Jeff
Yet again an English referee is in the spotlight in an international competition for a decision he has made.
In my eyes it was his right to blow for the penalty and I think I would have done the same. If it had been outside the box, it would have been a definite free kick and nobody would have said anything but because it was in the box, people think there are different rules. It has all been blown out of proportion and I would feel sorry for Webb and his officials if they were unable to officiate in another game in the European Championships.
What are your views?
Jeff's reply
Why on earth would he not get another game after doing something that was 100% correct? He had a tremendous game and will one day referee the World Cup Final.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: br, 10th June 2008
Jeff, I have a refereeing question:
An attacker rounds the goalkeeper and stops the ball just before it crosses the line for a goal. He then gets down on his hands and knees to head the ball into the goal. What should the referee do and what is the restart?
Jeff's reply
Why do I have a funny feeling that I am going to get this one wrong?
As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong in Law with this so it would be a goal and the restart would be a kick off for the opposition.
If other players were around, it is unlikely that an attacker would do this. If there were and the opponents were trying to kick the ball, then the attacker could be penalised for dangerous play for putting his head so low but I would think that course of action would be almost unbelievable.
Best wishes
Jeff
br responds:
Jeff, thanks for your prompt answer. You're a star just for that alone.
It wasn't a trick question or anything. I've asked my own regional trainer (I ref in Germany) and he says an indirect free-kick should be given to the defending team and a caution for the striker for unsporting behaviour.
I've seen this answer on a couple of referee's forums but it's in the minority. The majority agrees with you. I suppose it's reassuring that you also seem to think you might get it wrong.
I suppose I'd have to ask an active Premiership/Bundesliga ref.
Thanks again.
Regards, Simon
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From: Bill Copeland, 9th June 2008
Jeff we met at the Sporting Lisbon game with Scott. It was a very good article and I have passed it to many others AND HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THE SITE.
Jeff's reply
It's good to hear from you Bill. I try and look at things from a true fans' perspective as well as an ex-referees. It's not everybody's cup of tea but a fair few seem to enjoy the site.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Rob, 8th June 2008
Respectfully, I just cannot agree with your comment that any of the top four teams can feel free to openly criticise referrees. You were writing in respect to Alex Ferguson and Manchester United being let off their most recent tirade.
In my opinion, there is a very big gulf in the quality of decisions awarded to and against United as opposed to virtually every other club in the League.
I support Arsenal and have no special love for other Premier League teams (at best) but I routinely watch United players getting away without bookings and not conceding free kicks. Extra time is also often played to their advantage whilst other teams suffer against them in similar circumstances.
I haven't seen the stats for the 2007/08 season but previous seasons have demonstrated that it was easier for United to get a penalty at home than anyone else, whilst they also conceded the fewest. How is that not a headstart at winning the title?
I'm all for backing referrees more but I can't see the point unless there is a level playing field for all clubs, when the existing rules are applied impartially.
Thank you.
Jeff's reply
Every fan looks at matters from their own club's perspective.
However, the one thing that has to be in force is a level playing field for everyone. If that is not the case then we might as well all pack in because the game is dead.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: George Wall, 7th June 2008
Hey mate, someone who talks sense at last.
I find it funny that David Moyes gets fined for making a comment after the Merseyside Derby when he actually had a case because of Clattenberg's display, yet when "Sir" Alex Ferguson has an outburst, the FA do nothing.
And they call this fair? To be fair, I think it's a joke.
Do you agree?
Jeff's reply
I agree entirely George - it's one law for one and one for the others.
The big clubs - and with respect, the powers that be don't include Everton in that - get treat differently to the rest.
You mention talking sense - that is why I am no longer involved. They want yes men.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Michael, 6th June 2008
Hi Jeff, I've just found your site and I've had a few laughs. It is good, even if you're a Smoggie (only joking!!).
What I'm writing for is just to say I saw you at a guest speaker's night in the Bomurdsun (sp) in Northumberland and thought you were fantastic. You were a great speaker, telling us some of your stories which I found funny.
And as for the funny Gary Skyner - the world's handstand champion - it was a fantastic night.
The only downside was that there is always one arsehole who thinks he is funny.
If you can remember him, he was the one who was calling you "Smoggie wanker" and that. I'm surprised you held it together but I suppose you're used to it and have to act like a profesional, plus you gave as good as you got.
You could tell the real football fans there as only half of us got the joke when you said you nearly didn't make it for the snow, which I thought was funny.
So for all those who just come on here and slag you off Jeff, I'd say that they should go and see you do a guest speaker night and some might change their minds about you. All this is coming from a Geordie - I must have taken a knock to the head!!
So thanks Jeff for a great night - I would come and see you again.
Can I just say, like I told you on the night, I still laugh at the thought of you and Rennie making a quick exit from St. James' and running a red light!!
And just my luck that of all the raffle prizes on the night, I win your book which I already had. I now wish I had taken it as mine wasn't signed. You win some and lose some...
Michael
Jeff's reply
Many thanks mate - see I am not as bad as some people make out. Well not all of the time anyway.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Alex McCullagh, 5th June 2008
I beg to differ on your comment about the top four.
This total immunity to FA action is unique to Man Utd and Alex Ferguson. Waht happened to that after match punch up at the Bridge?
I think in the previous season Wenger got fined three times - once for suggesting that an official was telling a lie (in which case the cameras also lied) when he said Adebayor had thrown a punch.
Chelsea get fined routinely and to be fair Liverpool generally have no need to abuse refs as they get so many dodgy decisions their way.
But Sir Alex time and time again abuses refs to their face, to the media and by his actions. Man Utd and Ferguson seem to have the FA and Sky TV in their pockets.
Jeff's reply
I take your point Alex but even the other clubs who have been given paltry fines do not learn. The FA, if it is serious, needs to be strong with everybody. There is more chance of goal line technology being introduced.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Chris B, 4th June 2008
Jeff, as an ex-ref clearly you are passionate about your criticisms of Keith Hackett but you need to be more forthcoming in the media.
As a Villa fan, the Ferguson ruling last week greatly worries me because, as you say, it will mean more timid refs afraid to upset the applecart when Villa and others play the Big Four. That will reinforce the status quo.
So please get out there and speak your mind using your contacts so Hackett can hear you loud and clear. The fans need you!
Chris
Jeff's reply
When I speak to papers they have the option to edit. The only place where I can realy have my say unedited is on my website. I will continue to do that mate, I can assure you.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: PK, 3rd June 2008
Hi Jeff, you have a good site and I have started to visit it regularly.
However your article about the Big Four and referees being intimidated misses a point regarding David Moyes at Goodison. Moyes was fined and reprimanded following remarks about Clattenberg at the Merseyside Derby at the end of 2007.
Ferguson consistently makes comments every year, and as you pointed out, had no fine or warning this time re the Portsmouth outburst. Mourinho, Benitez and Wenger repeatedly make over the line comments and no action is taken.
When Moyes overdid it, it was following a terrible performance by Clattenberg. This is very different to the general "tactical offensives" employed by Big Four Managers BEFORE and after games.
Do you think putting Everton and Moyes in the same boat is fair on this issue? I think not. Moyes outburst was not tactical re Clattenberg.
Cheers and keep up the good site. I hope your site gets more exposure and helps to create positive change in SkyBall.
Paul
Jeff's reply
I agree with you mate, I did not wish to bracket DM in the same catagory as the others. My point ws that Hackett is scared of the clubs and Clattenberg has not been appointed to ref Everton since.
Best wishes
Jeff
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From: Joe Smith, 2nd June 2008
Jeff, I am a Scottish (Celtic fan) watcher of football and of referees in particular. The ones we have up here are hopeless.
However, more to the point, I read that English referees need to advise the FA of their and their family's allegiance to any particular team. I for one would like that to be the case in Scotland although I guess that after all the referees up here have stated their love of Rangers, there probably would be no one left to officiate any of the games.
How successful do you think this policy has been in England? And also, what do you recommend for Scotland given that we have two teams with a lot of baggage in terms of religion. How could we overcome the suspicions of biased refereeing?
I would appreciate your thoughts.
Jeff's reply
I recall having a similar conversation with one of the SFA members when I spoke at the Scottish Football Writers' Dinner a few years ago. The geography of Scotland and also the religion of the referee does not help when conspiracy theories are bandied about.
In England it is easy - you do not referee a team near where you live and also if you have any links to that club, either personally or via your immediate family.
In Scotland people live in the major cities in the main and this is where the biggest clubs play. Also, it must be very difficult for many not to "support" one of the big two when growing up. There is also the religion angle.
There is no answer, other than to bring referees in from another country to referee the "Old Firm" games. That way, at least the refs would only be castigated on the basis of their performances rather than on any other grounds.
For the size of the country, Scotland has produced some excellent referees, although fans quite often do not appreciate that fact, they merely recall a given match incident which prejudices their feelings toward a particular referee.
Having said that, surely you must understand why any sensible man (and referees do fall into that category) would fall in love with Rangers. Ha ha. But then again you might disagree with me on that one.
At the end of the season, Celtic won the League so not everybody was against them. Is there any truth in the rumour that the bosses at the SPL are all Catholic Celtic supporters??? Four games in eight days, a joke!!
Best Wishes
Jeff
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From: Seb, 1st June 2008
Hi Jeff
I hope you know that BORO is the best team on earth?!
Jeff's reply
In terms of ability, you are probably stretching the truth a little here Seb but fans think that of their own team, so I agree with you anyway.
Real supporters follow their side through thick and thin. That loyalty is what it is all about. Keep the faith.
Best Wishes
Jeff
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